Me @Michael: Do you sin? If you do, then you are deceived. OSAS is allowing you to sin. The Scriptures testify through Jesus’ own words: “If you love me you will keep my commands,” Do you think you are keeping Jesus’ commands when you sin? So if you sin, you do not love Jesus. You may think you do, but that is not the Jesus of the Bible. It is an idol in your imagination which is willing to tell you it’s ok, every time you finish sinning. The Jesus of the Bible said, “If you love me, you will keep my commands.” So if you do not keep His commands, then you do not love Him. Do you sin? Do you love Jesus? The question is not whether you love sin or not. The question from Jesus’ own words is do you love Jesus. No matter how you feel about sin, if you sin you commit lawlessness against Jesus’ commands. It means you do not love the real Jesus of the Bible. It has nothing to do with how you FEEL about sin. It only has to do with whether you DO sin.
Michael @me: Who does the saving me or Jesus? 😐
Patrick @Michael: All you are doing is mocking. You need to stop sinning
Michael @Patrick: Pls. you don’t even want God to save me.
Me @Michael: It is cooperative. If you do not respond in agreement with God about your sin, then you will not be saved. That proves it is cooperative. An unrepentant heart refuses to agree with God regarding his sin. Even if you agree you can have an unrepentant heart, when you refuse to actually obey. Agreeing and obeying are both requirements of salvation. Read ANY Parable by Jesus about the final judgment! They all speak the same.
Jesus did the dying, which you could not do. It was impossible for you to atone for your own sins. But it is impossible for Jesus to make the decision for you to agree with God about your sin. It is also impossible for Jesus to obey for you. YOU must obey. You might want it to be different than this, but this is exactly how God decided to make it and if you do not cooperate then you will not be saved.
Michael @Patrick:You guys want me to save myself. 😞
Michael @me: Probation x Condemnation ^u^ Salvation 😟
Me @Michael: I’ve no idea what you are saying. Please write it in full English.
Michael @me: You can’t come up with reasons to serve The Lord under the OSAS Party? 😞
Me @Michael: OSAS sets up their own Jesus to make him their puppet. He is not allowed to speak for himself. He MUST only say what corresponds to their human philosophy and condones the feelings in their corrupt imaginations. They are idolaters and have no part in the Kingdom of God. Only those who listen to what Jesus Himself has chosen to say and those who obey His commands are the ones who may enter the Kingdom of God.
Michael @me: Not Once Saved Always: No Assurance Whatsoever. 😐 Where in the scripture does it say God doesn’t give a F@%* about me? Then I’ll believe in NOSAS. sigh I’m gonna search the scriptures and see for myself.
Me @Michael: Well, you are behaving true to form for a OSAS. They ALWAYS revert to foul and offensive language, even getting extremely aggressive.
Me @Michael: “I’m gonna search the scriptures and see for myself.”… Start with Paul, since OSAS love making him say what he never claimed. Romans 2.4-6
4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? 5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds
Here we see that God’s patience is for ONE purpose, that you will stop sinning. And if you do not stop sinning, then you prove you despise the riches of God’s grace. AND it proves your heart is hard and impenitant and it proves that you are storing up God’s wrath against you, based on God’s RIGHTEOUS judgment where He gives to every man according to his deeds, NOT according to what he believes or imagines.
Me @Michael: Then look at Paul further in Romans 2.7-10
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good
He distinguishes exactly as Jesus does that it is ONLY by what you do that you will either receive eternal life or wrath and damnation. ONLY by what you do. And that it does not matter who you are. We are all judged the same according to God’s RIGHTEOUS judgment.
Go further and you find out HOW God will judge the secrets of men. Romans 2.16-24
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. 17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God, 18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law; 19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness, 20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law. 21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal? 22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege? 23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God? 24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
But you may cry out that that is about the law, not the Gospel. Is the Gospel not the law of Christ? Certainly it is called that repeatedly. And do you not think that you have the divine instruction by which men can be saved within the Gospel, just as the Jews believed they had within the law? YES! In every way the same. Does the Gospel not instruct you how to live in order to please God? And yet, why as OSAS do you boast that you do not have to live accordingly in order to please God? And if you do not please God, do you really believe He will save you? How? Matthew 7.21-23:
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Since His anger will burn against you more strongly than those who reject Jesus, because you claim to know Jesus and you refuse to obey and trample under your feet the Son of God in complete disrespect for the God in Heaven! Hebrews 10.26-31:
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Me @Michael: Or in Romans 3.13-17
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: 14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: 15 Their feet are swift to shed blood: 16 Destruction and misery are in their ways: 17 And the way of peace have they not known: 18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
This is exactly the behavior of every OSAS I have ever tried to preach the Gospel to. Which behavior PROVES they have never known the way of Peace. They preach the love of God to the exclusion of the fear of God. Yet, PAUL says that these corrupt men do not fear God, implying that if we belong to Christ we MUST fear God!
Me @Michael: And in Romans 5:19 Paul makes a clear comparison of how righteousness works in Christ.
19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Adam sinned in disobedience and because of that people then continued to disobey and sin, in various other ways too (Romans 5.14). And in this same way, Paul says, the many are made righteous by one man’s obedience, Jesus Christ. That means that flowing from His obedience we continue obedience of our own actions, just as we did the sin from Adam. Yes, the source of our obedience is Christ’s obedience, but our obedience unto righteousness is our deeds by which we will be judged. That grace comes through Jesus Christ, but if you perpetuate offence instead of righteousness, then you do not use that grace for what it was given you. You prove that you do not belong to Christ, but to the man who disobeyed and from whom all disobedience springs. The one who listened to and obeyed the lies of a woman, deceived by the Devil.
Me @Michael: True Gospel believers rest their assurance on the origination of grace in Christ and on the work done in our hearts that bears fruit in our deeds and finishes the work of salvation. For Christ Himself said that the tree that bears putrified fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire. It is identified in the righteous judgment of God ONLY by the deeds (fruit) and nothing else.Matthew 7.16-20:
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Our assurance is absolutely without any illusion, for we can rest at ease whenever our hearts condemn us before God, by seeing the actions of our faith. 1 John 3.17-22
17 But whoso hath this world’s good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? 18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. 19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. 20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. 21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. 22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
What does it say, but “because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.” and “let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth” And if you do not love in deed then you do not truly love and if you love in truth you MUST love in deeds. You will not be saved without the love of God dwelling within you. This means that apart from the deeds that are the truth of God’s love within you, you cannot be saved. Salvation without works is impossible, according to the Gospel of Jesus and His Apostles. If you want to believe something different then you are a pagan with an idol set in your heart, and you have given that demon the name of Jesus to falsely justify you contrary to the teachings of the true Jesus and what He taught in the Scriptures.
Me @Michael: If you remain an enemy of God, then you will never obey. Until you begin agreeing with God’s testimony and rejecting the testimony of Calvin and all the false teachers of the so-called “churches” and radio programs and songs. Go to Jesus of the Bible and read ONLY Him. Listen with a clean slate. Any thoughts that try to fill in what is missing or tries to start changing what He actually said in the Testimony, throw out those voices. That is how to start.
Until you find yourself able to obey His commands you do not know the love of God at all. I already showed you that Scripture. The fear of God leads us to obedience, not the love of God. The love of God allows us to escape the power of sin, but the fear of God keeps us from returning to that sin and drives us to obey. We are grateful for what He has done to the point that we fear what might happen if we trample that precious gift underfoot by sinning again.